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Forum Name: General Talk
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Topic: What if’s ...
Posted By: MAnderson
Subject: What if’s ...
Date Posted: 14 July 2005 at 8:35am
The doorway fighting/not fighting scenario got me thinking and I wanted to put something out there and see what everyone else is doing.
As an example our 1st technique is a Front Two Handed Choke and it has a base response that developes footwork, target mapping, weapon/target relationship, etc...
It is however a base technique and because of this is learned in a very stylized way. Very specific. As we progress ang get into the intermediate area we begin to play the what if game and come up with variations. How far have you taken it?
Things I have done with the Front Two Handed Choke Self-Defense Technique.
1. Wake up in bed with the hands on your throat.
2. Wake up in bed with the hands nearing your throat.
3. The choke is on and you are being driven backward.
4. The choke is on and you are pinned against a wall.
5. The choke is on and you are falling.
6. The choke is on and you are mounted and on your back.
7. Winded choke. You do as many push-ups as possible, as many sit-ups as possible, back to push-ups then stand, with eak arms, heavy breathing, shaking etc... then the front choke is put on. Replicates surprise and adrenal dump.
These are just some off the top of my head. A single technique can be played with for an entire month if not longer and so ingrained into your very being and with so many what if scenarios that by the end of 30 - 60 days working on a single threat and its response you may be surprised just how VER SIMILAR every other attack out there is in comparison.
So what do you fellow MA's and Kenpoists do?
Mikey
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Posted By: mj_lover
Date Posted: 14 July 2005 at 8:33pm
personally i visualize, and try some basic stuff, but at my ranking, were more concerned with getting the tech down pat. in the higher belts you get to play with it more. good question, following with interest
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Posted By: Zoran
Date Posted: 18 July 2005 at 12:35pm
All base techs from all systems are what the Parker system tends to refer to as the ideal phase. Meaning the technique only works if the attack is done a particular way.
The what if phase is the logical next step to your training. However, as techniques, it is nothing more than a training tool. The purpose of which is to get you closer to spontaneity. Which is your ability to give a proper response without conscious thought to any given attack. There is more to it than that, but that is the general idea of it.
Mike, you give some great examples of some what if's in your post. It shows some imagination and ingenuity. However, you are taking it a little too far for only one technique.
For example, number 4 for pinned against the wall. You are better off working that scenario with a variety of holds and attacks. Why? Because many different holds has a very similar response that you could use. I've taught this scenario with the following attacks; 2 handed choke or grab; one handed choke or grab with the other hand prepared to or throwing a punch; and no grab, just a single attack. From there, you can switch over to a rear grab when you are pinned against the wall face first.
Anyways, just some thoughts on the subject.
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Posted By: MAnderson
Date Posted: 18 July 2005 at 2:49pm
Exactly.
You can also work the front two handed choke with the opponent's forearm on your throat gearing back for a punch with the other hand. I was just putting differing areas that a single attack may take place.
We can change the type of attack all day long and as long as it travels in a similar angle of attack the response may be the same.
The wedge that we use in our system for the initial base technique is quite a technique. If you examine it for a number of other attacks moving along the same angle of attack it becomes very similar to Blauers SPEAR or any one of the numerous RBSD teachers out there showing an intercept (gaining time) off of your flinch.
Deploying that "Wedge" block into a variety of angles, opening the hands a bit, rolling your hands over the top of your head and you have pretty much what everyone else is teaching. You just need to explore it and trial and error it under pressure conditions. This is one of my major regrets for not staying with Mr. Sav longer. Things I learned on my own, may have been sped up a bit or insight may have come easier.
Im going to shift a bit and talk about that "Wedge". Changing the angle of deployment and sticking a natural weapon on the end of it will gain you a tremendous advantage in gaining time. Its very similar to a battering ram except you aren't really ramming it. More like anchoring it and letting the bad guy nail himself on it. It allows you time to engage your arsenal and cause damage (hopefully).
This is where I love the "What if's". Drilling suprise, deception, take downs, and really just an ugly looking mess is where mistakes happen and learning takes place. You must make mistakes in order to learn by the way. The more training and practice you do the less and less mistakes you make and well... you get good.
Mikey
Posted By: MAnderson
Date Posted: 18 July 2005 at 2:59pm
quote:
Zoran]... You are better off working that scenario with a variety of holds and attacks. Why? Because many different holds has a very similar response that you could use. I've taught this scenario with the following attacks; 2 handed choke or grab; one handed choke or grab with the other hand prepared to or throwing a punch; and no grab, just a single attack. From there, you can switch over to a rear grab when you are pinned against the wall face first.
Anyways, just some thoughts on the subject.
I couldn't agree more. I was just showing what you could do with a base technique and how the initial response will work in a variety of venues and types of attacks.
I have seen first hand many high level belts say (myself included) this wont work in the real world. Yet it did work. Worked quite well for me. Worked quite well on the ground also. Sure a subtle change in footwork or the angle of deployment happened in the frackus (Mikes term for a street fight, also like the term FUT - F..ed Up Tangle) it was still the base technique. Variations of the base techniques do teach spontanious flow and allow you to learn how to aquire targets and destroy them based on what is given to you off of what you do to the bad guy.
A single technique can and should be drilled through all avenue of attacks and possibilities.
and...
Its a hell of a lot of fun :)
Posted By: Zoran
Date Posted: 18 July 2005 at 11:23pm
Okay Mike, we will definantly need to get together.
Check you private messages on this site, I just sent you one.
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Posted By: timh
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 9:02am
I could not agree more with MAnderson regarding how a base technique should be drilled through all possiblities of attacks and circumstances. Having people of varying heights and body sizes attack in various manners will help to improve the effectiveness of a technique in a real life situation. Also, the addition of multiple assailants will alter the situation.
On the street we do not have the luxury of choosing the assailant's attack, so we must train for all possibilities.
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Be Aware and Stay Safe!
Posted By: MAC1
Date Posted: 08 September 2005 at 10:07pm
i agree with everyone, the what if means that you are understanding the style/art/tech which says that its becoming blood,spirit , life and finally enlightenment(samadhi)
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jbMAC
Posted By: taoist spider
Date Posted: 09 September 2005 at 6:43pm
Wow -
every one said all the good stuff before I got a chance to read the thread.
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