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What style of kemp do you train in?
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Topic: What style of kemp do you train in?
Posted By: Kempo Chris
Subject: What style of kemp do you train in?
Date Posted: 20 June 2004 at 11:11pm
What style of Kempo do you train in?
I guess I would say I train in progressive martial arts which is based in kempo.
The kempo we use is so mixed up it is hard to call it one kempo style - it is shaolin kempo, tracy kempo, chineese kempo, ciero kempo, american kempo, karenzenpo, filkenjustsu, and so on.
I train under Sifu Roland Costanzo at the Academy of Martial Arts in Staten Island, New York.
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Posted By: Zoran
Date Posted: 21 June 2004 at 2:07am
Saviano's White Tiger Kenpo.
Origins from McSweeney who studied Kenpo under Parker back in the late 50's to early 60's.
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Posted By: RickM
Date Posted: 19 July 2004 at 2:37pm
Kanzen Kenpo
I enjoy the self defences, double man and offensive techniques as well as the traditional and functional weapons. I also like the many types of sparring that we do. As a "more mature" (older) student I also enjoy the theory and history discussions we have. (saves the body works the mind) As I get more into the kata's I am starting to enjoy the many benefits they offer rather than the hard work they used to represent.
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Success is the best revenge.
Posted By: Zemm
Date Posted: 22 July 2004 at 4:49pm
Shao-lin Kempo
I study under Scott Miller (3rd Degree) under Master Robert Pearlswig (Master Pearl, 8th Degree) in McMinnville, OR. I love the integration of the Jujitsu and Kung Fu animal styles. I'm currently a blue belt and loving every bit of it. 
Posted By: Rcastillo
Date Posted: 10 September 2004 at 11:11pm
Tracy System for me!
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Tracy's Kenpo Karate of South Texas
Posted By: FIVE SW0RDS
Date Posted: 15 September 2004 at 9:57am
I was training in the Tracy system, but have been making the
transition into Ed Parker's American Kenpo. Its been about a year
since I started that transition and its been great.
I train under Dan Conden (3rd degree) at Northeast Martial Arts in
Philadelphia, under grandmaster Frank Trejo.
Posted By: Rcastillo
Date Posted: 15 September 2004 at 12:16pm
quote:
FIVE SW0RDS]I was training in the Tracy system, but have been making the
transition into Ed Parker's American Kenpo. Its been about a year
since I started that transition and its been great.
I train under Dan Conden (3rd degree) at Northeast Martial Arts in
Philadelphia, under grandmaster Frank Trejo.
May I ask, why are you switching?
Thanks, and Respects
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Tracy's Kenpo Karate of South Texas
Posted By: FIVE SW0RDS
Date Posted: 16 September 2004 at 8:21am
I found that when I was studying under the Tracy system, some
things were missing. American Kenpo has been able to answer a lot
of the questions I had; it filled in the gaps for me.
I hope that answers your question.
Posted By: Rcastillo
Date Posted: 16 September 2004 at 8:39am
quote:
FIVE SW0RDS]I found that when I was studying under the Tracy system, some
things were missing. American Kenpo has been able to answer a lot
of the questions I had; it filled in the gaps for me.
I hope that answers your question.
Can you expand on your answer some?
Is it the system , you think, or the Instructor?
I've founds, gaps, as you say, but I feel I've been able to compensate, also knowing that there are going to be holes, no matter what, as one cannot defense it all.
Thanks, and Respects
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Tracy's Kenpo Karate of South Texas
Posted By: FIVE SW0RDS
Date Posted: 16 September 2004 at 9:46am
For me, there was a lot of things I didn't know about before the
transition. Things, like principles of motion, grafting, checks, and lot
of "whys" to the "hows." And I didn't even know what I was missing
until I switched.
I've been with my instructor through this transition process. It wasn't
just me switching over, it has been my entire school. I didn't mean to
disrespect the Tracy System, its just that the Parker System works
for me.
Thanks.
Posted By: Rcastillo
Date Posted: 16 September 2004 at 11:10am
quote:
FIVE SW0RDS]For me, there was a lot of things I didn't know about before the
transition. Things, like principles of motion, grafting, checks, and lot
of "whys" to the "hows." And I didn't even know what I was missing
until I switched.
I've been with my instructor through this transition process. It wasn't
just me switching over, it has been my entire school. I didn't mean to
disrespect the Tracy System, its just that the Parker System works
for me.
Thanks.
No, I see no disrespect on your part, and I understand what it is you seek.
Thanks for communicating with me, and best wishes.
Thanks, Respects
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Tracy's Kenpo Karate of South Texas
Posted By: FIVE SW0RDS
Date Posted: 16 September 2004 at 11:17am
No problem, this was my first "forum" discussion.
Thanks for breaking me in.
Posted By: Saphirej26
Date Posted: 05 October 2004 at 10:24am
I was also training in Tracy Kenpo and have changed over to Parker Kenpo and I have found that it flows much better for me and is all about the the art fitting the person not the person fitting the art. It has been a great change for me and I am enjoying my new journey immensely.
Posted By: mj_lover
Date Posted: 26 October 2004 at 10:40pm
another kanzen guy here, the system, for the most part, makes sense to me. i'm loving this striking thing, its a whole different ball game then judo! (I still like judo, don't get me wrong) kanzen seems to be very complete.
Posted By: RickM
Date Posted: 08 November 2004 at 12:00pm
Congrats to mj_lover who successfully passed his first Kenpo belt test on Saturday. Way to go!
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Success is the best revenge.
Posted By: mj_lover
Date Posted: 08 November 2004 at 8:59pm
thank you! it tastes like more! 
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"So many joints, so little time!"
Posted By: Zoran
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 2:52pm
Congrats mj!!
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Posted By: Dainichi
Date Posted: 19 November 2004 at 11:38am
Hi to everyone from new memeber!
I train Shorin Ji Kenpo under sensei Zoran Grgos (3.Dan) in Croatia.
Congrats mj_lover!  I also had kenpo exam last weekend, got my orange belt (4th Kyu).
A question: what does your test look like? Just wondering...
Posted By: mj_lover
Date Posted: 19 November 2004 at 2:05pm
Thanks, congrats to you too! I tested for yellow stripe, which is the 1/2 way point between white and yellow belt. It consisted of 9 manipulating self defences, basic stances, basic punches, kicks and blocks. how about yours? I hope that answerd your question
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"So many joints, so little time!"
Posted By: Zoran
Date Posted: 19 November 2004 at 2:14pm
Welcome to Kenpo Thougths, good name for an instructor
For those that may get confused, Shorin Ji Kenpo is what in the U.S. is spelled Shorinji Kempo. I should have a link to an article in the http://www.kenpothoughts.com/GL_SubDirectory.asp?SEC=3&C atID=23" target="_self - Other Systems section of the Kenpo/Kempo Guide.
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Posted By: Billy Lear
Date Posted: 21 November 2004 at 10:32pm
I train in Ed Parker's American Kenpo under Frank Trejo in Pasadena, California.
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In the Spirit Of Kenpo,
Billy Lear
Posted By: EP2112
Date Posted: 06 December 2004 at 6:11pm
I also trained in the Parker system under Tim Bulot in Irving, Tx.
I'm always willing to have an open mind. I just recently visited a dojo where they were teaching CH3 Kenpo. There were somes things I liked about it but there were also things I didn't like. What I did learn seemed pretty simple but of course I'm sure they didn't show me anything sophiscated.
I'm very bias and really love the Parker system. Probably because it's the only system that I have really studied. Although I would like to learn ju jitsu, or Aikdo.
EP2112
Posted By: EP2112
Date Posted: 06 December 2004 at 6:16pm
quote:
Billy Lear]I train in Ed Parker's American Kenpo under Frank Trejo in Pasadena, California.
I love seeing that famous photo of Mr. Trejo and Parker. Where Ed Parker has a hold of Mr. Trejo wrist and Parkers fist is smashing across Mr. Trejo's nose.
Do you know the one I'm talking about?
That is Frank Trejo in that pic? right!
EP2112
Posted By: Dainichi
Date Posted: 07 December 2004 at 8:08am
quote:
mj_lover]Thanks, congrats to you too! I tested for yellow stripe, which is the 1/2 way point between white and yellow belt. It consisted of 9 manipulating self defences, basic stances, basic punches, kicks and blocks. how about yours? I hope that answerd your question
My test consisted of sparing, about 15 self defences, Ten Sho and Ju Te kata, almost all stances ( I think that there are only 2 more that those who test for brown belt need to know), blocks, kicks and punches... (I'm not sure which ones you call basic  and I guess I should list the names of all that we had to know to give you full picture, but it's quite long so I won't bug everyone with it this time.) Of course, there is also the difference in the speed - I had to know almost all the things that blues do also, but they have to be able to do it all much faster.
Posted By: Billy Lear
Date Posted: 08 December 2004 at 3:59am
quote:
EP2112] I love seeing that famous photo of Mr. Trejo and Parker. Where Ed Parker has a hold of Mr. Trejo wrist and Parkers fist is smashing across Mr. Trejo's nose.
Do you know the one I'm talking about?
That is Frank Trejo in that pic? right!
EP2112
Yep! Thank's Frank. I'll be posting that article on his web site soon. The address is www.franktrejo.net
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In the Spirit Of Kenpo,
Billy Lear
Posted By: Sadie
Date Posted: 16 October 2006 at 3:54pm
Kanzen Kenpo for me too, love the mental aspects of it (biology and stuff, which I'm already interested in and all the new good things) and it's awesome to finally have a physical thing I enjoy doing. Plus the people, of course
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 16 October 2006 at 4:18pm
In my intro I referenced the sytems I followed my instructor through, my first association was a local one Intermountain Kenpo run by Dale Pettit. He was second generation to SGM Parker I was told, but didn't follow the lineage any further. We then moved to AKKS under Jeff Speakman, thence to AKKF under Mohammad Tabatabai and flirted briefly with the Ed Parker Institute under Ron Chap'el. This hopping about has left rather a bitter taste in my mouth as every single association claimed to teach "true" Kenpo and they were the only ones entrusted with the secret knowledge that SGM Parker eventually wanted people to learn. So now I refuse affiliation, I pay homage to SGM Parker only. I learned the base techniques prior to my voluntary disenfranchisement and so rely on the few video clips and SGM Parker's written record to guide me as I try and personalize the art. I keep in touch with my first instructor and have recently renewed contact with my first martial arts school which deals in Danzan-Ryu Jiu-jutsu
Posted By: Protege
Date Posted: 16 October 2006 at 9:57pm
I train in Houston Kenpo under Tim Houston. It is a good combination of many arts with its base in White Tiger Kenpo.
Posted By: Albrechtsen
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 11:48am
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jdraper]In my intro I referenced the sytems I followed my instructor through, my first association was a local one Intermountain Kenpo run by Dale Pettit. Dale Pettit was my first teacher many years ago when I lived in Utah. I thought (and still think) he's pretty awesome. Who was your instructor?
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jdraper]This hopping about has left rather a bitter taste in my mouth as every single association claimed to teach "true" Kenpo I can assure you that Mr. Pettit taught "true" kenpo. I've been in quite a few places over the last 21 years and everything that I learned from Mr. Pettit is recognized as kenpo (both in Tracy studios and American Kenpo studios).
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jdraper] and they were the only ones entrusted with the secret knowledge that SGM Parker eventually wanted people to learn. I can't believe that Mr. Pettit ever took that approach. He once told me the secret was "consistant, continued practice."
Anyway. Awesome to see Mr. Pettit's name on the web once in a while. Sorry you had some bad experiences.
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 12:23pm
You're right, Mr. Pettit was less prone to play up any private association with SGM Parker; he has tied on a 10th degree now though, he's very good and I have no ill will towards him personally, but I wonder about anybody that will put on that kind of rank based not on objective testing but on "petition." (And yes I know that SGM Parker did basically the same thing. But as I believe Zoran said in one of his posts, " there are very few Mr. Parker's") My main instructor under Mr. Pettit's association was Mike Hall at the Deseret Gym. After they tore the gym down I studied with Ken Lindorff (who went on to become my father-in-law) and he is the one who started the jumping around. I may have stated my case a little strongly, I learned some great stuff in every system and don't regret my time, I just don't like the egos that get involved. Tell me that you do Kenpo this certain way because that fits you; as long as the principles are good I'm okay with it. Don't tell me that you do it a certain way and that I have to do it a certain way because " that's how SGM Parker really wanted it done," especially when someone else is claiming SGM Parker's authority and doing the technique differently
Posted By: Albrechtsen
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 1:05pm
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jdraper]You're right, Mr. Pettit was less prone to play up any private association with SGM Parker; he has tied on a 10th degree now though, he's very good and I have no ill will towards him personally, but I wonder about anybody that will put on that kind of rank based not on objective testing but on "petition." (And yes I know that SGM Parker did basically the same thing. But as I believe Zoran said in one of his posts, " there are very few Mr. Parker's") My main instructor under Mr. Pettit's association was Mike Hall at the Deseret Gym.
Why, heck yes, I knew Mike Hall back way back in 1985 through 1992.
I have only deep, warm feelings for Mr. Pettit. Personally, I like to wear my old black belt with no stripes (same one Mr. Pettit gave me).
Glad to hear that you're staying with the Arts. DanZan Ryu is a fine system of ju-jitsu. Are you under any particular organization in that?
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 2:38pm
The school I go to for Jiu-Jutsu is under the Intermountain Kodenkan; the big guy there is Art Estes. I am not formally affiliated with that organization though. I am not sure I want to rank in jiu-jutsu, I honestly believe Kenpo is a complete style, but my eyes are definitely opening to some of the more subtle angles. Sometimes an epiphay can occur just by looking out a different window.
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RE: What style of kemp do you train in? - May 31th, 2007, 1:34:45 AM
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Kosho Warrior
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I am a blackbelt under Shihan Brent J. Crisci of the United Martial Arts Academies, Kosho Shorei Ryu Kempo is what I have my back ground in as well as personal training in Mixed Martial arts with alot more instructors. I am currently overseas stationed in germany but working my way back to the states and out of service by the end of 2008. At the most part for the last 2 years I have been seeking out fellow martial artist to train with as well as teach seminars through community centers to help bring the martial arts to the soldier who cant get to a scheduled class. I also enjoy teaching the dependants of the troops. While deployed twice I also got to share some knowledge with troops downrange. Helps while in those locations trust me on that. Anywho just a little something to share.
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