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Topic: respect

Posted By: Protege
Subject: respect
Date Posted: 07 January 2006 at 5:37pm

I have been training in martial arts for a few years. Though I have not been taught in a dojo. I have been trained out of a basement. Though my teacher is very good and well versed, what can I gain out of a dojo or school other than more sparring partners? And will a school recognize my current level, or start me at the begining?

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Posted By: Samantha
Date Posted: 08 January 2006 at 12:16am

well, for one thing, most schools have more than one instructor, or at least blackbelts. You can get several perspectives on things - just because one variation of something works doesnt mean its the only variation that works. Different people have different strengths - for instance, if your current instructor is wonderful at sparring and self defense, but a bit weaker in the weapons area, you can get well rounded training by taking advantage of the different prowess of multiple instructors. You also mentioned more sparring partners, which will be great, as we often times get used to our partners. There's also the stability issue - a school which has been around for a few years is probably more likely to continue to be there, rather than, for instance, someone who practices in their garage with others in their spare time.

Whether or not the school recognizes your current rank is subjective to the school. I suppose it depends on how similar they are.

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Posted By: Zoran
Date Posted: 08 January 2006 at 12:33am

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Protege] And will a school recognize my current level, or start me at the begining?

Only if from the same system, otherwise, probably not. Kenpo systems can be quite different from eachother. For example, I'm a black belt in Saviano's White Tiger Kenpo. If I walked into a Tracy Kenpo school, I would expect to start from the beginning.

If you are happy with your current instructor, why consider changing? Most schools originally started in a garage or basement. There are advantages to a bigger school, which Samantha listed most. There are also advantages to the smaller garage/basement training. Such as you get more one on one time with the instructor.

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Posted By: MAC1
Date Posted: 08 January 2006 at 7:06am

i'll agree with that zoran, but any instructor with an establishment will offer some type of package,then may or not give a watered down verzion or cretique what you know even if the techs you performed were the same

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Posted By: southwell
Date Posted: 08 January 2006 at 9:14am

I think training out of a garage or basement is great, more one on one and less room to move in sparring will improve your fighting.

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Posted By: MAnderson
Date Posted: 08 January 2006 at 9:20am

The main thing is enjoy what you do. If it becomes a struggle classes begin to be missed etc...
Never worry about rank or being recognized. Its a very hard thing mind you. It will all come naturally just from training.
Visit seminars that interest you. Create new friends and possible training partners. Invite them down to the basement and thump and bang for a week or so. You will either teach or be taught. Check the ego at the door though...lol. Some people are a bit uptight about things. I have a big poster in my basement gym that reads "No belts, no rituals, no egos!" Its mandatory. You will be better then some and be throttled by others, but following that rule creates one of the best learning environements I have ever been a part of.
There is a sub society of garage gyms out there and there are a lot of them. Once word gets out you may have training partners out the whazing! Just be safe and have a cup of coffee or lunch (an interview) to get a reading on them.
Its a hard life sometimes working out of a basement/garage gym sometimes its just you, sometimes its just you and your intructor, sometimes its quite a few people. That is a huge benefit of a commercial school -- Training partners and instructors. When you can mix them both is when you have a great formula.
The greatest thing I gained from the 5ish years I was at Mr. Savs was the incredible comradery. That in and of itself was priceless and the MAIN reason I am involved in Kenpo to this day.
Hope it helps.

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Posted By: timh
Date Posted: 08 January 2006 at 2:10pm

Protege, good question. The previous posts bring up good points. There are advantages and disadvantages to being trained in a basement. In my opinion, the obvious biggest advantage is the personal instruction. I have taught you more in a short amount of time than you would ever have been taught in any school. The biggest disadvantage is the lack of variation in partners and instructors. As previously mentioned it is good to hear of different explanations and points of view. It is also of great benefit to be challenged by opponents of different sizes, abilities, etc.
As you are aware I have spoken of taking on new students for some time, my biggest concern is liability. I love training and teaching, but I would not want to jeopardize my personal assets by taking on new students. I am in the process of researching insurance and liability issues. If all goes well we will have new partners in the near future. I just want to make sure I am fully protected.
As far as rank, as MAnderson stated don't be overly concerned. Ultimately it comes down to whether you feel more confident now than you did prior to training (which I hope you do). But I do recognize that having specific goals of achieving the next rank is important and the personal gratification in being awarded the next belt is beneficial, so I will work on this. I can personally attest that you are of an advanced level; you have made significant improvements in your situational self defense ability, striking ability, sparring (standup and ground). Specifically, you are only one of two people that have tapped me out recently while ground fighting (CONGRATULATIONS).

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Posted By: timh
Date Posted: 08 January 2006 at 2:17pm

I forgot to answer your question whether a school would recognize your current level. In most cases you would start as a white belt but would progress at a much faster pace since you already know a lot. You know many of the strikes (upper body and lower body), stances and foot work. It would be more a matter of learning techniques specific to the system. As you know, the base self defense techniques you have learned are from Mr. Saviano's White Tiger Kenpo.

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Posted By: Protege
Date Posted: 08 January 2006 at 6:19pm

Thank you all for your insights. Everyone had great things to say. Escepially Uncle Tim. I have heard many stories of Sav's and just wanted to hear different view points. Much appreciated. U. Tim hows the ankle? lol

Posted By: Zoran
Date Posted: 09 January 2006 at 4:30am

Well, looks like you have a great instructor already. Tim is one of the most well rounder fighters in the school. Also a great teacher that is articulate and not only understands the underlying principles, but can also impart that knowledge well.

He also does great http://www.kenpothoughts.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=169&a mp;PN=5" target="_self - face blocks .

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